Cobb

Fatty.

(semi-inside joke for you non-VC readers)

I'm curious to see how this goes, too. If anywhere. I'll sit on the sidelines for now.

But I'll just say that beyond pledging allegiance to a side or even (as is my usual stance) to picking one way or the other to tilt, I say this dichotomy can be like two independent dials, like bass and treble. Fine tune, 0-10 on each knob, for each song.

I think you created dichotomist positions against the minority of minority positons Cobb.

BTW...I want to do an interview with you on the Conservative Brotherhood to post on my blog.

IE, why and how you started it. What it is intended for. Where you expect it to go. Etc.

Hit me up at dellgines@yahoo.com if you are down.

Now, Cobb, you don't really want to go there. Are you saying you can't find statements from which whites about bending the government to the service of a particular constituency and then holding government accountable? Are you suggesting that if you could find something like that, you might stop spoutin' like Old UnFaithful? Or are you simply saying that the liberal/democrats are full of it? 'Cause if ya wanna have the rich white folk-government dependency conversation, we can start at the ROOTS and work through to JP Morgan and bring it home to your boy W. Lemme know if ya wanna go there. I don't think you do, but if you wanna, I'll pay for the gas and give you directions - you can drive.

You can ask the government, or God, for anything. That doesn't mean your demands are going to be met or that you are particularly righteous for making them. It seems to me that when you ask for the impossible from a pompous position, you are only setting up a precedent which wont be met so that you can continue to throw stones. In other words, Bond's is a cynical mission from the start, and deserves to be seen as such. Bond is saying, "If you don't buy me a bike for Christmas, you're a lousy parent."

As for JP Morgan, I do believe there's still a bank around with his name on it that's doing well for Americans. Yes I want to go there, there meaning where Bond is. I don't need to go back to 1895 when JP Morgan bailed out the US government to the tune of $62 millon. Then again, I can't expect an anti-capitalist to appreciate the uniqueness of that contribution to the infrastructure of America.

BTW. George W Bush is not my boy, he's the Republican party's boy. I'm a Republican, not a Bushie. Powell is more my boy, and so is Christie Whitman and John McCain.

Word of BOND

About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.

That's a reprehensible statement coming from an irresponsible loudmouth. Jesse Lee Peterson has demonstrated all of the restraint and discipline of a bulemic pig in a pastry shop. He's a ghetto minister who never left the ghetto in his mind. Too bad he's got so much airplay. Clearly he condescends to his audience - and he deserves whatever masochistic mobs vibe off his misanthropy.

You know, you're right, you don't have to go back that far. We could go back to Enron. Pick a year - and there will some collective of wealthy white folk imposing their will on the government. It's not clear to me how the relative position of Bond as a beggar should be subject to more castigation. That his approach is "cynical" is a function of his powerlessness - not a function of the demand being made. There are far too many examples of government giving it up - you could look at the criminalization of hemp and the interests of William Hearst...take your pick. How about invasions and agri-business for $100? Daily-double?

Didn't mean to conflate your politics. I hear the nuances in your response. Still, the idea of petitioning government (Check out requests by a slave-owning dynasty during the 1927 flood in the Mississippi Delta, as another example. www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/flood/) I guess it's hard for me to understand why you have a problem with JB, aside from maybe some self-loathing due to undesired association with his powerlessness. I hope that's not it. Let me know. This is an interesting topic.

Yeah there is a reason Julian Bond is powerless and his brother in the Civil Rights Movement Vernon Jordan is powerful. That reason is significant. Bond wants to work against the capitalist system, Jordan works it. I have no need to associate myself in any way with Julian Bond. Although I seem to recall that in 1982 when I was a freshman computer science student at a conference at the Omni Hotel in Atlanta, he looked over the crowd I was sitting in and said essentially 'the world is yours'. So it's my world now.

As for Enron. Hey, they were a publically traded company. They got busted. The company was liquidated. The leaders were set to jail, and the economy didn't hickup. If slaves on the Enron plantation weren't clever enough to serve but one foul corporate master, then they are probably still unemployed to day. You cash your checks, you take your chances. That doesn't change anything. Next.

1927?