Cobb

Hi there. I was on a search for other black bloggers and your site was the first to pop up. I especially like this post. I think I'm gonna trackback. Those values really make me think.

I like the above litmus test, and a league works for me too. However, quite a few liberals would also meet that test. I suggest a "no victimology" clause (i.e., we believe the primary barriers facing black communities are that which black people ourselves must fix). That will weed out folks.

That can work. I'd say that seven is a critical mass and then we could establish a formal name and criteria. Still I think just being associated with 'Blacks for Bush' will do more to keep lefties away than any test.

I don't qualify to be part of such a blogger league,(pasty white) but I think its a great idea and I think it would be hugely popular.

I MUST blog about this. Thanks for alerting me to your presence. However, I disagree with my pal, Shay. I don't think liberals would meet the test. That's the point of being conservative v. "progressive." It's a worldview in conflict with my own. To create something with liberals involved would require too many compromises that I'm not willing to make.

This is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a long time. What is it about your so called "litmus test of values" is particular to so-called Black "conservative" thinking? There is certainly nothing new, and especailly nothing "blackified" about them. Lift them wholesale and drop them smack dab down in the middle of any right wing manifesto and one couldn't tell the difference between you, the Republican National Committee or the Aryan Nations.

Of your loosey goosey items, two strike me as the most interesting, if not tragi-comic. The first is the typical right wing arrogance of guarding the souls of others from "corruption." That sounds all nice and piety and self-righteous (i.e., typical conservative blather) and it may be applicable to your own kids at best and perhaps children in general. But when it comes to adults, you are entitled to be concerned about the souls of others, but you only have the right to be concerned with your own; God gave us free will and will judge all individually according to His standards, not according to yours.

The other regards a curiously out-of-date notion that although "we" often must work twice as hard for half the rewards, we ought to be "happy nigras singing in the fields," taking pride in devotion to ole Massa's crumb droppings. How pathetic and sad that you've given up all notions of genuine equality (at leats in terms of rewards for work) and have genuflected to the ravings of the D'nesh D'souza's, Ann Coulters, and Rush Limbaughs of the world who thought your blackified negrosity has been and is being treated too well as it is. You messege is "Be happy with the little you are often cheated out of while others take advantage of all the opportuntities afforded them." That's not victimology; it's cold hard fact. Your cowardly position is simply a sad commentary on the state of the so-called Black right.

Finally, your hypocrisy is really funny in a sort of watching-a-train-wreck way. You decry "Black socialism" yet you propose a collective of Black conservatives, a mildly retarded form of socialism but socialism nonetheless and in its most pure form of ideological fervor combined with advancing a line of political thought that betrays it's own manifesto of upholding the ideals of pluralsim through the derision of those on the Left who do not fit ideological mindset of the right, whether they be Black...or merely "blackified."

I'm down, Michael. Let's do this.

I'm really not going to spend a lot of time in this thread arguing your points, Bernard. There are several reasons. The first is that by your tone, I hardly find you competent to judge. I can't tell which part of kneejerk is the bigger part of you, but it's leaning towards jerk.

Secondly, if you have legitimate beef with anything I write about, there are at least 1500 other entries here at Cobb. I've been writing for over two years and discussing the Old School and conservative values in detail on every topic I can think of. I didn't hear your logic then, this is not the time nor place for it.

So I invite you to find what I actually have written about D'Souza, Coulter, Limbaugh, hard work, victimology, Socialism, equality and the public spiritedness of guarding others from corruption, most notably my beef with today's hiphop. But I suspect you haven't the patience to get serious about it, and this is just a drive-by hateration.

Until you can come correct, whatever to you.

The Republican party plans to attract 25% of the African American vote for the reelection of President George W. Bush. Please see Blacks for Bush BlacksforBush.org http://www.blacksforbush.org

Shout out to the lovely La Shawn Barber! LOL

Ah, the weight of your hypocrisy regarding the "pluralism" plank of your platform is making it creak.

First of all, from YOUR tone, your self-righteous arrogance is, at best, mildly amusing but ultimately inconsequential. You can't find me or anyone competent or incompetent to "judge" your writing; but if all you want if people who are going to lick your spinchter muscle and agree with you, then you should say so upfront and not betray your lofty edicts on pluralism through petty and trifling namecalling. If you can't stand the heat, put down the recipe book.

Second, I HAVE a legitimate beef about WHAT you actually did write: your blog entry called "Keeping It Right." I spelled out the beef specific to that blog entry; why would it be necessary to read all 1500 other entries when the one seems to perfectly sum up the issues I have beef with? After all, you hint that it is consistent with your previous writing about D'Souza, victimology, equality or whatever; therefore, why do you think wading through a sewage plant is a more valuable use of time than simply flushing a turd?

Finally, nobody says "hateration" anymore and expects to be taken seriously.

Hypocrisy is the bane of conservatism: no matter how much you people try to extoll the virtues of your consistency, you turn out to be little more than Bill Bennetts (moral miscreants), Rush Limbaughs (delusional ideological addicts), Armstong Williams' (fascists beating the walls of your closets), Cheneys (draft dodging patriots who question the patriotism of others), Falwells (Twinky Winky hating Bible humpers) and Bush's (flip flopping trapeze artists).

You challenge ME to come correct? As mama always taught me, you need to get your own house in order before trying to sweep someone else's floor.

My dear Bernard. It pains me greatly to see you suffering so as you try so diligently to get me to see the errors of my ways. I must confess, that despite your gallant effort to reform me, I simply don't get it. How that must disappoint you.

You don't like conservatives like Limbaugh, Cheney, Williams, etc and you think we're all carbon copies. Your powers of observation are frightening. I can only hope everyone who reads Cobb gets a chance to recognize what your insight has contributed. I look forward to the day when I can have an opportunity to return the favor at your website.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have several infants roasting on the grill. I'd hate for them to get overcooked. Ciao!

My dear Corn Cobb, it doesn't pain me at all to see you twisting in the wind, farting condescension as if you are a pinata in which holes have been poked and caused the involuntary relase of your hot air.

Of course, you have assumed (I have a feeling you do that a lot) that I have tried to get you to see the "error of your ways" and/or "change" you. Nothing could be further from the truth; from what I have read so far and your responses, it's clear you aren't unlike a pig that likes to wallow in his own shit, which isn't likely to take to a jacuzzi.

Do I think all conservatives are "carbon copies"? Far from it. Black conservatives tend to be...er, the carbons, but for the most point you all have a range of ideas that go from A to B, variety being the spice of life and all.

As for the people who read Corn Cobb, unlike you, I don't rely on the validation of others to buttress my arguments; you should be a man and stick up for yourself instead of flashing an "Applause" sign in front of the studio audience.

I have to run, too: there are several conservatives roasting on an open fire: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell.....one big ole weenie roast.

At any rate, I'm down. What kind of symbol are you thinking about? I was thinking about a Red, Black, & Green rebel flag, since we're seceding and all.

That's radically cool. I've got four samples. This is the one I think is best.

http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/rebel3.JPG

My long response to Bernard's comments are on my blog, http://crispus.blogspot.com/ Cobb, liberals are ever more losing their grip on black folks so of course they're gonna lash out...

Cobb,
What a sweet idea! I've been contemplating something like this ever since I found out that I wasn't the only black conservative on the planet. I'm all for massing in one place to let folks know how many of us there are and that we are serious about what we believe.

"Say it loud, I'm a black conservative and I'm proud!" =)~

Hey Cobb, those colours in your rebel flag are a bit hard on the eyes. Can you maybe pick something a bit brighter? It's a great idea though.

Mike, Bellsouth has my e-mail hosed for now, but I'm in.

Hey, I'm talking about t-shirts, coffee mugs and the whole nine yards. FYI, I'm meeting the California State VP of the California College of Republicans this weekend since I'm starting up a chapter. More on that later.

In the meantime, you'll all shortly be getting an email from my visioncircle.org domain for the kir@lists.visioncircle.org discussion list for organizing this thing while it still doesn't have a name, etc.

I'll also put up a template page with five different versions of the rebel flag, but please don't limit your ideas to those choices. Once the discussion list is up we can talk about our next moves.

I'm thinking of a group blog and/or an orkut community. We've got to have the killer name though - any marketing people around here?

btw, i'm sure you all know that blacksforbush is a parody of republicansforshaprton.

Yeah, I know. [rolling eyes]

Although I can't say I'm surprised...

This is an excellent idea, Michael. Count me in.

I also think that Bernard's reaction to this proposal further validates its excellence. :-)

This is an wonderful idea. I might need to start actually writing more about these issues. The litmus test is great!

There is a need for a central location to get Black conservative messages out there. There are many blogs that need to be heard by our people. There does need to be standards and restrictions for participation in the blog block. One most definitely needs to be "belief in the real and living Christian God in the form of the Holy Trinity: Father, Son and the Holy Spirit." This is particularly important for Black bloggers since this is the key element in our heritage and culture. This is also the key to conservatism. Traditionalism (Social conservatism) lies in Christianity. Without it, it is merely Libertarianism. If you want to include libertarian blogs and thoughts then you can't say conservative. Although fiscal conservatism is very important, it is merely a byproduct of social conservatism. As far as the last value of Pluralism: " We believe in a tolerant and open society, and we welcome all people to enjoy its benefits and responsibilities." needs to be reworded and rethought. Conservatives believe in the written word of God, the Bible. Matthew 7:14 says Narrow is the gate to eternal life and few find it. I learned today in church that tolerance has no moral basis. Christians are not called to be tolerant but rather to hold all accountable and responsible for following the Laws of God. We do not believe in tolerance of sin or of evildoing. We do instead believe in "freedom of religion" and "liberty for all." America should not be tolerant of others sins that decay the moral fabric of our nation. That is why we are in the state that we are now. Anyways, this could be good and also bad. Many blogs do not particularly coincide with my values and beliefs, i.e. "Blacks for Bush." Bush is not a conservative, I wouldn't even call him a moderate. So I'm sure many blogs would be in direct conflict or disagreement with mine. We can't lump all of our voices into one category because it doesn't represent us all. But I do believe there needs to be a location where people can go to find links to many "Black conservative" writers. Peace and God Bless

Count me in.

Nice blog. I'm only an ordinary anglo, so to speak, but I like your blog. Poor Bernard, he thinks truth will be blown away in a gale of name calling, and silly cliches. Thats the trouble with the Left these days. They have the moral and cultural ethos, and attitude of a 15 year old boy. They simply refuse to grow up. And they whine, constantly! Keep blogging!

I think this is a great idea. I have a few ideas and suggestions.

One of my concerns/issues is that we just not attack liberals or the "status quo". We need to start discussing idea's and reasons as to why people should begin to understand the "conservative" belief.

An urban agenda, one of the biggest issues many black conservatives have with the RNC and other Republicans, is that the party has no "urban agenda". It is understandably why the party does not have an urban agenda since 92% of African American's vote solidly D E M O C R A T.

Email me and I will gladly share some tag line's and marketing ideas.

Karen

A new voice coming from the wilderness on Memorial Day Weekend . . . take a look and tell me what you think. I am, in my honest opinion, quintessentially American -- quintessentially African American. Full of contradictions, successes and failures.

This will be an evolving project; I hope to present regular opinion pieces "From Within The Veil" (which is the link I am providing). You will find under the "info" link on my website a basic recitation on What I believe. But please, explore all links.

I will be most interested in what y'all think. Any publicity via links will be greatly appreciated and reciprocated.

Not a good start (what did I tell you about successes and failures ;-)

http://www.englishandwhite.com/id1.html

I think it is appropriate that I am launching this on Memorial Day weekend and I hope you agree.

I hope I can join your coterie of conservative black bloggers, although I am new to the game. According to blogger I have only made 45 post on http://blacksforbush.blogspot.com/ but I have 140 post on my other blog where I am BAW (blogging as White).

I have been involved in a political listserve since 9/11 where I was assumed to be white by my stands on issues so I do enjoy stepping out of my skin.

But once I realized that I had to seriously consider voting for Bush this election I realized that I had to speak as a Black American and not just as a generic American.