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March 23, 2004

On Gay Marriage: Part VI

I made allusions to the 'nature' of the gay lifestyle which I had rhetorically toned down to 'the legacy of Stonewall'. My point was to illustrate the asymmetry of straight sexual lifestyle with that of gay throwing a wrench in the argument that marriage is the same thing and 'it doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, red, blue or green'. This is willful blindness poking it's ugly, empty head up once again and if there is any parallel at all between the thinking on race and on homosexuality this is it.

A cat name Kunstler nails it:

As much as the gay community wishes, they will never persuade the non-gay majority that homosexual behavior is wholesome, in particular between males. In reality, the norm of male gay social behavior is extreme promiscuity with predatory overtones -- hence, for example, all the problems the Catholic church is having with what is basically a homosexual subculture devoted almost exclusively to victimizing boys.

The wish to normalize male homosexuality is inevitably a way of discounting and marginalizing male heterosexuality. However, I'm not convinced that male homosexuals want to cede the social margin to the straights; that "outsider" position is so deeply connected with gay culture generally. What we are really seeing, I believe, is the final tactical move of the womens' movement to keep bothersome men away from them generally and to get as many men as possible corralled into a gay ghetto with the priapic diversions of gay life.

In the end what bothers me about gay marriage is the idea that it is exactly the same thing as marriage between a man and a woman, and this is the obvious result of the extreme relativism that has reigned as a kind of supreme fashion statement among high culture vamps since the 1960s. This relativism has been a long game of pretend -- pretending that all behaviors are equally okay.
It seems to me that this kind of lazy relativism is a luxury that can only be enjoyed by a cossetted elite luxuriating in a high entropy economy.

I am prepared to say that there is a fundamental and moral distinction between the generally accepted definition of marriage here in America and a proper Christian one. While all the Jews I have been able to query on this have provided me with the shocking news that gay rabbis are marrying each other, I believe I am on reasonable ground in assuming no such funny business occurs in Islam.

So while I'm not particularly concerned with people's squeamishness about homesexual acts themselves or whether or not hets are convinced about wholesomeness, it is important that lines are drawn in terms of beliefs and standards when it comes to the standing of marriage, or as I am now inclined to say with distinction Holy Matrimony.

We're not all the same and we're not all trying to be the same thing.

Posted by mbowen at March 23, 2004 08:51 AM

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Under Jewish law marriage is only between a man and a woman, both Jewish. What some Rabbi's do is a reflection of their belief in the validity of the Torah and Bible.

Many Ministers will marry gay couples, and yet it seem to me you don't see that as the proper Christian view of marriage.

Jewish law also lays out obligations of both parties, although the marriage contract only lists the Man's obligations.

Posted by: Leah Guildenstern at March 23, 2004 10:54 PM

--In reality, the norm of male gay social behavior is extreme promiscuity with predatory overtones . . .

Wait, I've heard something like that before but it was said a little differently:

*In reality, the norm of male social behavior is extreme promiscuity with predatory overtones.

*In reality, the norm of black male social behavior is extreme promiscuity with predatory overtones.

*In reality, the norm of black social behavior is extreme promiscuity with predatory overtones [particularly the males].

hmmm . . . maybe I'll have to look it up in my big book of stereotypes

Posted by: Tawanna at March 25, 2004 11:18 AM