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February 03, 2004

Conquer Mexico

Over at Dean's World there was a battle over how much we hate Mexicans because they take so much of our money away. Or some crap like that. So let's lay it on the table at a different angle.

There are many who believe that if we permanently offer amnesty and pleabargains for illegals (how illegal is illegal immigration, more illegal than marijuana use? thus should we start a War on Immigration?) that we'll be flooded. Canadians don't stampede the border because all they all have nice jobs. Socialism works? OK that's beside the point, Mexico sucks that's why they all come up this way.

So as an economic matter, can American standards of living be eroded so long as Americans are in charge? That is to say if there are, in the closed system of American employment 100 million jobs that require an average of a 11.5th grade education and pay an average of 15 bucks an hour and we drop our guard to the south, what happens? Do we suddenly have 10 million new jobs with a 5th grade education that pay 4 bucks an hour? Are these jobs going wanting in our big cities or are these newly indigent creating entire 3rd world economies on the fringes of society?

It seems to me that if the US public eductional system is demonstrably incable of educating, then we are demanding to be a third world country.

One more deally, which ought to be really scary. A lot of folks gripe about how expatriot workers suck up all the public services because they're paid under the table and don't hold up their end of the tax burden. Isn't that a call for a more efficient and ruthless tax collection regime? After all, somebody has a good idea which industries these tax leeches are working for, no?

Let us assume that there are limits, but until there is some equilibrium, indigent unskilled workers and their upscale expatriot bretheren will continue to press the borders. Assume that give the opportunity of wide open borders, 50 million Mexicans would cross over to work in America. It seems to me that the solution becomes more and more obvious the more people come to America.

We start conquering Mexican territory.

We just push the border a couple hundred miles down, grab up all that cheap real estate, cry havoc and let loose the dogs of McDonalds, KFC, John Ryland Homes, The Irvine Company, Sempra Energy and let's not forget Wal-Mart. They want America? We'll give them more America than they can handle.

I really love this idea. That's why I'll never be elected to public office in California.

Posted by mbowen at February 3, 2004 03:49 AM

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It's crazy, but it just might work!

Free Mexicans from Mexican tyranny!

:-)

Posted by: Dean Esmay at February 3, 2004 12:48 AM

Cobb,

That post just about ensures that you will never hold political office in these United States. Wait a minute. I think all of your post ensure that you will never be Congressman Cobb, don't they? Too bad. We could use a little more Old School in our politics.

Not a bad idea though.

Posted by: walter at February 3, 2004 01:41 AM

I think you have it backwards (or the folks you are talking about do) on ex-patriate workers. They all pay income taxes and if they are permanent residents they also pay SS. But there are probably a lot of govt. services for which they are not eligible (if there even is such a thing as a govt. service anymore in the US).

Posted by: Deb at February 3, 2004 05:50 AM

You may have something here.

Mexico has oil, right? We could have practiced on Mexico.

Posted by: P6 at February 3, 2004 07:42 AM

how illegal is illegal immigration, more illegal than marijuana use?

Equally illegal. Imagine the outcry if Bush offered amnesty to all pot smokers. Then imagine how much worse it would be if he allowed all current pot smokers to obtain a permit allowing them to legally smoke all the pot they wanted for the next three years. Personally, I'd be OK with it, but I don't think too many other people would be.

Posted by: Xrlq at February 4, 2004 09:41 PM

I think the debate on illegal immigration summed up nicely thusly: it's not wrong, it's just illegal.

Posted by: Cobb at February 4, 2004 11:07 PM

"how illegal is illegal immigration, more illegal than marijuana use?"

There are significant differences. First, most U.S. pot smokers are our own citizens, while illegal aliens are by definition citizens of another country. While citizens of other countries who are in the U.S. have certain rights, we should not ever favor them over our own citizens. We should feel free to deport illegal aliens as long as their rights are respected.

Second, marijuana consumers number in the millions, while there are only a relatively small number of consumers of illegal alien labor. And, those consumers of IA labor aren't hiding in the shadows; some trade on the NYSE.

"We start conquering Mexican territory."

We could have taken over Mexico 150 years ago. We settled for taking the southwest and paying them $18 million (?). Mexicans are apparently taught that the land was stolen from them. That's part of the reason why having millions of MX IAs in the U.S. is a real bad idea.

Instead of kissing Fox's ass, Bush might consider making subtle references to "liberating" Mexico from its elites. Fox in return might attempt to agitate the millions of his citizens in our country, but, its not going to get better.

I wonder what Ike would have done in Bush's place; I'm sure it would not have included amnesty.

Posted by: The Lonewacko Blog at February 4, 2004 11:07 PM

"it's not wrong, it's just illegal"

It's illegal for extremely good reasons. We can't just have open borders. We need to have some controls. That's why we have legal immigration of various kinds.

You either have open borders, or you have legal/illegal immigration.

Posted by: The Lonewacko Blog at February 4, 2004 11:14 PM

Unlimited immigration is illegal because it's wrong, in the sense that it is not in the country's best interst. Illegal immigration is wrong because it's illegal. There is a moral component to obeying the law vs. ignoring all laws that don't also violate one's personal code of ethics.

Posted by: Xrlq at February 5, 2004 12:04 AM

I want to circle back on this vis a vis empire and defending the constitution internationally. I think that if you truly believe that jefferson and his pals were onto something which was more than just white male, that is to say universal and international, then at some point national sovereignty is irrelevant to the principles of the constitution.

Posted by: Cobb at February 6, 2004 02:41 PM

If we are so ethic, why do we go to foreign countries and break the law. If we are so ethic, why we do not pay fare salaries here as well as in the foreign countries where we establish our corporations.
It is very funny that everything seems so illegal to us when we are here; but then we go out and do very illegal things. What is this all about? Do we have a double moral? We may just being harvesting what we plant? Aren't we?

If this is a global economy? Aren't we supposed to be globaly competitive also? So what are we so afraid of?

Posted by: Roberto at March 19, 2004 11:15 AM

why the fuck do we want mexico???

Posted by: caleb beck at April 3, 2004 09:46 PM

Yeah Mexico sucks. They all suck (but I had the idea that Fox was kissing Gerogie boy's ass and sucking his dick) specially those white people from Mexico. There are some red haired and blond people over there who defend Mexico form proud racists like us, but face the facts, you people are all brown! Not white! Us withe caucasians only exist in damn proud american territory (they also piss me off when they say that America's a single continent made from North and South America) there is no such thing as white people in other countries like those sizzy Germans or the scurvy Irish.

And let's not forget about those stinking jews. Hope they kill themselves along with those musulims and turks.

We should nuke Mexico with a shower of nucler bombs. No one would care! We the US are the official rulers of the world; we can do whatever the fuck we want. Silly browns. With their soccer and concrete stadiums. And dog shit everywhere. And with their limes that they call lemons. Join the KKK and invade Mexico to kill them all.

Posted by: I at May 6, 2004 01:47 PM

I think the post that "I" meaning the dickhead who wrote that post was disgusting, stupid and is what makes white people look shitty. Which is good. FUCK white people, cept my friends that are white. They cool and wanna nuke America's bitchass. Fuck you whitey bitches. Your girls dont got ass or breasts and the white guys are all man whores. Kno what? You talk about America nuking Mexico and invading with the KKK... lets hope you guys don't contridict yourselves about terrorism agin.... it'd be a pitty not to see Bin Laden not blow up the twin towers, white trashy fuck. y0, Mexico's a peace country with beaitiful girls and yes, French, White Mexican girls with blonde hair that are sexier than american whores with no ass. Fuck you, "I". You're never gonna be as cool as I am, posses the knowledge I posses, you're a straight up fool. You don't know shit and you're a lame fuck. Oh, and uhh... Osama kicked your bitch asses no matter what you white fucks say. And us Mexicans will never go down, We'll keep coming in your stupid country till we get our territory back, till then... we'll just be surviving and working. Genocide will be the fall of you pricks if you dare attempt that on Hispanics or in your ignorant eyes "Mexicans."

Posted by: Jorge Acosta at August 15, 2004 06:20 PM

You think you "white" people are so great? Think that "white" people in American are the only true white-ees in the world? Well, think again. There's probably no other race in the world like the American race that is so mixed with culture AND race. American whites are probably the few whites in the world that also have Black, Indian, Mexican, Chinese, and whatever other race that has helped build the foundation for American. As for "I", you are the fucking shit that one is embarrased about when he's/she's called American. You've heard of a little thing called "economics" we are now going into a new era in humanity, a new level in society, a new way of communication in which its called the Free Global Market. If you truly care about your fucking honky, bitchy-ass, whiny race, then the only way for your fucking ignoran-branch-of-race to endure in American is to participate in this economy. "I", KKK? WHAT THE FUCK??? I probably saw you in some midnight run of Jerry Springer called, "I fucked my mother and live in a box" What the hell?? Since when does the KKK have ANY power in our government? Invade Mexico??? All the KKK is, is some shithole group formed by old white faggot Americans that want to bring American to the days that whites ruled the economy. OH MY FUCKING SHIT, the last thing that I want in my beautiful country called America is to be ran by fucking whiny white American fucks.

Well, so much for that. One more thing, when was the last time you heard of the "Anglo-Saxon economic improvement in America"??? We [Hard-working hispanics and Asians]travel 10,000 miles for a chance of a better life in America. We come to your home country, with nothing in out pockets, not even a dollar to spend, not a ration of food, all we bring with us is that hope that America is to everyone else in the world. That hope itself endures through all of our lives. It's that hope that flourishes when we come to America and open our business in your country. You white racist american KKK whores should be thankful there is still people in America that hold to the "American Dream". If it wasn't for us immmigrants [Mexicans, Phillipines, Chinese, Japanese, Jews] your country (which is now OUR country) would've now turned into a shithole with no hope of recuperation. Bitches, just pray that this immigration keeps coming or America will cease.

Posted by: SiscoKid at December 15, 2004 03:16 PM

I read in the article somewhere and a person heard from a guy on tv who said that Mexicans are white people who speak Spanish. Mexicans aren't white. They're brown hispanics or latinos, even light-skinned ones are too. The light skinned Mexicans probably have white blood either from a parent, grand-parent, great-grandparent or an ancestor. The tv guy probably meant the Spaniards, who are white. So in fact, alot of Mexicans have very little white blood and more native blood even though Mexico has a mixture of Native and Spanish and other.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 8, 2005 01:54 PM

The standard of living in Mexico is decling, so the Mexican government has encouraged Mexicans to migrate to the US. Vicente Fox bullies the pussy US government into accepting Mexicans into the US.

Fact: Illegal Aliens get their pregnancies paid for 100% when they come into the US. American citizens, on the other hand, have to pay their own medical bills.

Fact: Illegal Aliens with US born children(births were PAID for) are eligible for up to LIFETIME welfare benefis while American citizens are only allowed five years.

Fact: Let's say there are two familes of 4. One family has all US citizens. The other has ONE Illegal Alien that came into the US and got her pregnancies paid for and had 3 citizen children. Both households make the same amount of money. The household with the illegal alien will get MORE food stamps and welfare because of the way the income is calculated.

Fact: When Illegal Aliens get welfare and food stamps, they don't have to participate in the work programs -- American citizens DO.

Fact: Illegal Aliens are eligible for government subsidized HOUSING and utilities.

Fact: Illegal Immigration and detensions has risen ever since Bush has discussed his proposed Amnesty plan.

Fact: Many business in border areas ONLY hire Illegal Aliens and little is done to stop this. The LEGAL Mexican Immigrants with work permits and residency are passed over and sometimes fired to fill the companies with illegals.

Illegals are elegible for free lunches, American paid for education, free busing to school, and WIC programs.

FACT: They don't pay taxes for this, YOU DO!!!

Posted by: Jose at January 26, 2005 09:12 PM

Black is beautiful. Brown is grand. But white will always be the color of the big boss man... fuck iraq. bomb the shit out of mexico.

Posted by: the bartman of fate,texas at January 30, 2005 05:03 PM